First, the entire comment by Randy, from my post "Going to the State Capital:
first let me quantify this by telling you that I am a gun owner. I own AK's AR15 have a CHL and carry at least one pistol on my person every day most times two. I enjoy having these personal freedoms and that is why I CANNOT support this bill. Business's are owned by people the same as your house is owned by you and this bill is tantamount to saying because I choose to be a guest in your house you have to let me keep a gun on your property. This bill is a gross violation of private property rights. I believe in freedom not just for me but for everybody. Im sure some of you will spout off that its "NOT the same, that you NEED your job" well your NEED does not give you the right to stomp on somebody's rights. you CHOOSE to work there.
First, let me say that I respect your opinion, but I think you are wrong. But your not wrong in the way most might expect me to say so.
You say you are a gun owner, and CHL holder. Good for you, but those are not relevant to the issue.
Second, you equate being a homeowner and the private property rights you enjoy as such to being a business owner and declare that the same private property rights are in effect. That is so wrong!
When you open a business, that property and building itself automatically falls under much more regulation than a home or other "private" property. The term "private property" as correctly applied to a home indicates that the property is in fact not open to the public, that they must be invited each time. A business on the other hand is built for the purpose of interacting with the public. A business by definition expects to have people,who are not the owners, enter the property as a normal course of doing business or operating in the case of employees. So right off the bat we are not dealing with the same property rights.
Even more, your business will have to comply with zoning laws, which are different for a business versus a home. Your business will have to adhere to the local fire code which has much more regulations for a business property than a home property in the same city. Your business will have to comply with the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), which your home will not. The ADA will go so far as to mandate design features of your business; the size of your hallways, number of bathrooms, number and location of exits, etc.. Don't believe that a home and a business fall under a different set of property rules? Go build a new house, and then turn that into a business such as an insurance office. Then come back and tell me how much money it cost for the renovations you have to make to the house BEFORE you can open it as a business.
But, let me say that I do agree with the idea that a property owner can limit items on his or her property. For instance; I think it is perfectly fine for a business to say that you can not carry a gun in the business. I think is fine that a business has a dress code and bars access to those who show up naked, or scantily clad. Telling people with offensive slogans printed on a t-shirt they are not welcome is okie dokie with me. And the classic and possibly best example is telling people they can not smoke in your business.
But who gives the owner the power to not allow cigarettes in your car? Or if you meet the dress code, are you bared from having a bathing suit or lingerie in your vehicle? What if you show up in an offensive t-shirt, and take it off and leave it in your van? Have you met the dress code then, or are you held liable for the clothes your not wearing?
At what point does your "private property" owner take control of my vehicle which is MY private property? I don't surrender title to my car just because I park it on in your parking lot, do I? And although you, as a business owner, have control of the property inside the building, and the open air of the parking lot, your control ends at the property line. How then do you reconcile having control of my private property (vehicle) while on your property, as well as on my commute to and from your property? When did your rights extend to controlling what I do traveling to your property? Do you have control to tell me I can't smoke in my car on the way to work? What about listening to music you don't approve of as I drive in?
Understand that this bill, only applies to keeping a firearm inside your vehicle. The very second you take that firearm out of the vehicle for any reason you are not protected by this (prospective) law.
Randy, tell me how now do we reconcile your real estate property rights with my private vehicle property rights?
And everyone else, please tell me what you think.